Friday, July 30, 2010

Clearing CFA level 1for Non Finance folks

A brief background first about me. I am Gopal and am a graduate in Instrumentation and control engineering. I work in the IT division of a bank and had got no prior experience in finance. I knew nothing other than Java/j2ee!! I decided one fine day that I was going to do CFA level in june 2010. Basic idea was to just get over the worries related job during the recession. I wrote my CFA level 1 on June 2010 and cleared with not so great results. But importantly I cleared! 


Here is my result:
Alternative investments <= 50
Corporate finance >= 70

Derivatives >= 70
Economics >= 70
Equity Investments 50 - 70
Ethical & Professional Standards >= 70
Financial Reporting & Analysis >= 70
Fixed Income Investments >= 70
Portfolio Management 50 - 70
Quantitative Methods 50 - 70


I am sharing the way I prepared and do not wish to say that this IS the only way to prepare. Best is follow the way a person who cleared and then after a month we would understand ourselves better. Remember I had a 4.5 yr old son and a family to take care of when I did this. I also had a demanding IT job and my wife was working. If I could clear this (even being a non finance guy), yourself should clear it easily.


But all you need for this is months of hard work. But believe me, the result is really sweet and really worth it. Do not immediately look at ROI, but enjoy the hard work. At 32 years if I could, you can too.



Preparation materials I used:

1. Stalla study notes and vidoes - I went for weekend classes @ www.newhorizonsedu.com
   - I found the study notes from stalla fantastic and amazing.

2. Visited and read all the posts @ www.analystforum.com

3. Referred www.analystnotes.com for economics. I found them good too.

4. There are lots of videos in Youtube and other video sites which explain a particular topic in detail - Example Income Tax which I found impossible to understand. These videos are great and really hammer the knowledge on to your head.

4. Complete Stalla passmaster CD - esp Ethics, quants and economics.

5. Complete End of Chapter questions for Ethics mandatorily. I tried doing it for FSA, did not succeed mostly because of lack of understanding. But I firmly believe, if you can do these problems, the rest is a formality.

I used the TI Professional calculator and bought a new one. I found this easy, but must admit I do not have hands on experience. So I leave the choice of calculator to you. Having said that One of the best tip I got from a member at analystforum - "On the exam day you would use the calculator far less than what you think". Turned out correct in June 2010 level 1 exam, there were hardly few questions which needed tvm calculations :)

I would like to share with you some points I can remember which helped me (or would have helped me if somebody told me this).You can call it tips or what ever :)

  • Read everything atleast once - There is nothing which is unimportant. I know atleast 4-5 questions which I could have got correct, if I had read a particular paragraph in Stalla's material.  
  • Having a study plan and sticking to it always helps. Starting this habit early makes it more effective.
  • I felt that the three hundred hours of study which CFAI claims is real joke. I needed atleast 3 times that time (ofcourse I didnt know FSA at all). But be prepared to spend more time and energy since the subject is new. 
  • Do not try to study with too many materials. Just Stalla along with analystforum would do actually. Analystnotes I used for economics.
  • Prepare notes for economics/ AI for sure and read only them the second time around. Remember also that there is very minimal weightage for AI and economics 
  • There are loads of videos available on the net which we can learn.
  • Ethics is very important and if possible get the hand book on ethics from CFA institute. I read somewhere almost all situations are from the handbook. I never got it though and never tried it. I am going to buy this for my level 2 though.
  • For me personally trying to understand some formulas worked better, rather than just mugging the formulae (ofcourse you would have to mug quite a few, but this method would reduce the number). The best to remember the important formulae is to read the complete End of Chapter stuffs.
  • I heard from people that, learning and discussing as a group helps a lot. I never did that and so I dont know. 
  • There is a trick to remembering formulae - Write chapter wise formulae on a piece of paper. You remember better when you write and read it with your own handwriting. Read this in auto/bus or at lunch time. Slowly you start associating the formulae to the position on the paper and you start remembering. Believe me it works :)
  • Remember to read all the different yields in Bonds. They are absolutely important! Best way to remember them is to practise lots of problems.

Remember that we might not know finance area, but we are better than the finance guys in quantitative! Because I concentrated too much on economics, fsa and fixed income - have a look at my result?? I got less than 70 in quantitative! 

I just hope this was a bit helpful to you. Believe me, its tough hard work ahead. But no pains, no gains! Enjoy the hard work and enjoy your result. You have taken the right decision to do CFA and all the very best.

79 comments:

  1. thank you so much for sharing your experience. It is indeed a help for people who are preparing for the same. :)

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  2. Hi Gopal,

    Thanks for such a detailed post.
    Can you please share your e-mail id? Need to ask a few questions such as if Stella notes are available at Bangalore (if so, where?) and did you use Scheweser notes? How long did you prepare for? I would appreciate if you can reply lakshmi.vivek@gmail.com. Thanks.

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  3. thanks gopal,
    for sharing your experience. me 2 for L1 in dec-2010
    i ahve got the books for a while now, gotta get started. like lakshmi asked above your email if that is not an inconvenience.

    regards

    Tej
    tej77@hotmail.com

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  4. Thank you all for the comment and hope it is helping you prepare!

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  5. hi Gopal,

    Thanks for this, i am sure it will be of help.

    Can you also shed some light on the benefits of doing a CFA? what kind of job profiles/packages can we expect if we clear all the 3 levels?

    Does clearing just the first level also have any industry value? If yes, then can you shed some light on that?

    Thanks again!

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  6. Hi Rachna,

    CFA is one of the most respected certification in the Investment banking industry! You can view the kind of job profiles CFA holders have at:

    https://www.cfainstitute.org/cfaprogram/benefits/career/Pages/positions_that_benefit_from_charter.aspx

    On packages front, I dont know any first hand information on this and so all I know is speculations :)

    Clearing each level has its value. But please do not expect a miracle change in your career because of just clearing CFA level 1.

    Companies know the effort one puts in to get a CFA charter and so they respect you. I am saying this because I am not studying CFA with an ROI in mind right now, I am studying because I like Investment Banking.

    If you dont like Investment banking, then its not really great to put in that effort. If age is on your side, please go in for a full time MBA in fields you like! Hope this helps.

    regards,
    Gopal.

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  7. Hi Gopal

    1st of all thnx for your blog. My name is Parvez Mansoori doing mba in finance from pune. Sir i have couple of questions.
    I want to know which study material is better for cfa level 1 exam. You have told about Stalla. I also heard about Kaplan schweser, Elan guides. Also after enrollment, cfa institute gives their standard study notes. so which one i should prefer?? one last question from where can i purchase financial calci in india and which calci is better?
    my id : parvez.mba86@gmail.com

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  8. Hi Parvez.. I find Stalla materials better. listen but its a personal opinion. There are thousands of people who use Schweser. My suggestion would be to find downloads for both of them and compare as to which you find easier.

    Again regarding calci, I straight away used TI BA 2 plus professional. In India they are sold through cranes software:

    Cranes Software International Ltd
    # 69/B, 1st Stage Domlur Layout,
    Bangalore – 560071
    Contact: T.G. Sundar Rajan
    Phone: 91-80-67279000
    Mobile: 91-98802 86659
    Fax: 91-80-67279003/25356299
    e-mail: sundar.rajan@cranessoftware.com

    These are available in ebay/rediff/indiatimes shopping etc and I picked up from rediff actually.

    All the very best and thanks for visiting my blog.

    regards,
    Gopal.

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  9. Hi Parvez, I am not sure whether Elan is an approved prep provider. So I would only choose between stalla and schweser. I am using stalla again for my l2 now! I would only use Stalla because I like the way they explain things..
    But schweser tests are extremely good as well! Choice is obviously yours!

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  10. Hi Gopal, thnx for your valuable reply and thnx for sharing so much kind of important information about cfa. You know that Indian student have very less resources regarding these kind of exams. Gopal would you tell me about scholarship of cfa institute?? They are saying about member societies. i dont get it. In india we have member society office?also what do you think about their standard study notes(cfa institute)?
    and best of luck for your level 2 exam.... and Gopal you know I am also from computer science backgrond...

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  11. hi gopal,
    thnx 4 d info. i m doin mba currently and will be opting for finance specialization. is CFA exam in tune with mba finance ? is it advisable to attempt for CFA now or after i secure a job after mba

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  12. Thanks for the comments guys..

    @parvez, I am not the right person to answer this. But let me point you to the right direction.
    www.linkedin.com
    www.analystforum.com
    Discussions in these forums are particularly on this question.

    @Rajesh, sorry I never applied and tried for it. So have no additional information than what is given in cfa institute website.

    All the best guys..

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  13. anyway thnx gopal...best of luck 4 level 2

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  14. I owe you a fortune, called new horizons right away , never minded that it was 8 in the morning, just got over-excited reading the blog.

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  15. Thanks Anish! I am very glad that I am of help to somebody :)

    Stalla books are easily the best. The faculty at new horizons are not great. But the books and the videos compensate for it. Study it to pass it :) All the very best..

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  16. Thanx for the post, I really needed a confidence boost since I'm in the exact position right now as you were, and staring to prepare for the CFA level 1 in June 2011.

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  17. @Anonymous - All the best and I am extremely happy my blog is helping a few like you. The blog was written exactly for this purpose :)

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  18. Gopal,
    Excellent work giving the write-up about your prep.
    Which was your test centre ?. Delhi HC had permitted test centre for Dec 2010 exams in Bangalore. Do you know the status of test centres in India for 2011?.

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  19. Thanks John. Its too early to know it, you would get an email around March-April from the institute regarding the same.

    In 2010 my centre was Chennai! Think in 2010 the court allowed all the metros as centres!

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  20. thanks gopal for sharing your experience...but do you get to know your marks ...i have gone through the cfa institute guide and it says the results come as pass or fail..Do we get to know the marks of the individual subjects?

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  21. Most welcome Parich.. You dont get to know your individual marks, but get to know your range. ie, for each subject you get to know whether your marks where >70, 50-70 or < 50. So get something like what I put as my result. Hope this helps.

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  22. If anyone gets a email about the updates on test centres in India for 2011, please post the information. Thanks.

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  23. John, I can see Chennai/Kolkotta/Mumbai/New Delhi and Bangalore in the list. Time to place the change of test centre request I guess.

    Please visit -
    http://www.cfainstitute.org/cfaprogram/process/Documents/june_test_centers.pdf

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  24. Hi Gopal, Can you tell me how long it took you nto prepare for levelI. I have started preparing this month but I am not sure whether to go for the exams in June or December. I am also from a Science background (Mathematics) and so I have no idea about finance and I am also working full time.

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  25. Hi Rakesh, I started off in full steam by around mid december. I used to prepare around 3-4 hours a day minimum! I also took a week and half leave in the end for preparation.

    My belief is that if you havent completed FSA still; its better to go for in September. But if you are going for proper coaching, then you can give June a shot. But if I were you, I would rather go for December that june sitting!

    All the best and thanks for visiting my blog!

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  26. @John, I have made the request for test center change to Chennai. Hope you guys have placed your requests!

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  27. Everyone who registered, would have got an email from CFA institute for selecting the test center in India. The request got completed in two days. If anyone has not done it, pls do it at the earliest as its a first come first serve basis!

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  28. Hello Gopal. Hope you doing well. Liked your blog very much:) I am going to be answering level 1 this June so I would like to know approx how many numerical questions appear on the level 1 exam.(i.e. for how long would I need to use my calculator at an avg of 1.5 mins per question.
    Thank you.

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  29. Hello Haydn, Thank you for visiting my blog. In June 2010, there were not more than 10 questions where I was required to use the calculator. They mostly concentrated on concepts and not on numericals. Again, its worth checking with somebody who wrote in December 2010 as well.
    All the best! Level 1 you really shouldnt be worrying about time as I had more than half an hour left after answering all questions.

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  30. Thank you so much Gopal and God Bless!!

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  31. Hi Gopal

    Happened to visit this blog today by accident. Quite useful info. I am plng to prepare for level 1. Called up newhorizons and the course fees she mentioned it as 50K (1000USD). It is alarming to c such high fees.

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  32. My post got cut off. Please advise on the study materials as I have some financial constraints.

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  33. Rekha, thanks for visiting my blog first of all..

    Stalla has hiked its fees and thats the reason New Horizons is charging you so much.

    Cheaper options are to prepare with Schweser materials which you can buy on ebay or even get the photocopies.. Unfortunately my material has been given to one of my friends, otherwise I would have happily shared the same!

    Copy pasting the details from another blog..

    Lakshmi XEROX
    SHOP NO:- 1, V.M. Mehta Road,
    Opposite Rasraj Hotel,
    Nr. Mithibai College,
    Vile Parle (W),
    Mumbai-400056

    Ccntact No:- 022-2613 4350/5051/4193.

    Credit for above details go to daulatguru.com

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  34. Hi Gopal,

    I was just inquisitive to know if you were able to leverage your IT and CFA level 1 results in your professional career, for e.g. a job change or a domain change or a hike in salary. Looking back at your decision to appear for CFA level 1, do you think that you had taken the right decision, and has that decision been able to impact you monetary wise.

    Regards,

    Rahul

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    1. Rahul, the benefits unfortunately are so direct in IT. I havent leveraged anything out of my level 1 yet. But then again it depends on the IT company you work for. If you move to singapore, people take notice of you and sure to leverage out of CFA.

      For me, the biggest advantage has been that people respect me a lot more now. People know I am serious about CFA and get the credit I deserve. I think I have made the right decision because of multiple reasons:
      1. I wanted to do an MBA, I cant since Ive a family. So I think Ive got the required knowledge from CFA.
      2. My knowledge of the world has increased, irrespective of whether it translates to monetary gains, I am more happy than ever before.

      Might sound a little too philosophical, but there are avenues which get opened by you doing CFA - am yet to explore! But will definitely do it soon Rahul.

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  35. Excellent Information Thanks

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    1. Thanks Anonymous - I am glad it helped somebody..

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  36. Hi gopal,
    Excellent information and congrtaulation for ur level I Result.Hope u cleared level II also,i am the person who is giving very late response for ur information.I am giving level I june 2012 attempt,could u pls help me in getting stalla old papers like 2011 and 2010 years.i want to pratice a lot n lot.pls help me...
    my email id :vassubbu@gmail.com

    Regards,
    vasudha.

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    1. Apologies for the delayed information vasudha.. Really sorry but you can purchase these from different sources:
      www.examsuccess.ca
      www.finquiz.com
      www.analystnotes.com

      All of them are generally good.. But you dont get Stalla papers anymore unfortunately!

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  37. Hi Gopal,

    Thanks for sharing your information, I hope you are doing well, i am in the verge to take decision to start for CFA level 1 exam hoping for an excellent carreer in future. If you are free to share,are you getting benefit out of clearing CFA exam in your current venture.

    Regards,
    Dinesh.R

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    1. Hi Dinesh,

      Apologies for the delayed response. Clearing a level 1 is definitely going to open more avenues and more importantly people around you look at you as someone who is pretty serious with his job. I personally have felt this difference, people take notice of you! But Ive not yet completely shifted to finance job so cant comment anything more than what Ive experienced. Thanks!

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  38. Gopal,
    Did u get any finance related job after passing L1, I am software engineer writing L1 now, what are job prospects in finance after passing L1

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  39. @Anonymous - I never tried for a finance job still. But a friend of mine got a job at Deloitte after clearing level 1. So I know it does generally open the door if you clear level 1.

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  40. Hey Gopal,

    Your blog looks great! Wanted to know if Schweser notes would be sufficient for a recent commerce grad? No weekend classes only these notes???

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  41. Hi there, thanks for visiting my blog. Listen, there is no substitute of CFAI books. But yes Ive heard schweser is good too, go for it! All the best.

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    1. The reason I am saying that it might not too straight forward for myself and yourself (Ravi) is because of the experience we have in the field now. Unfortunately it counts against you in India, rather unfortunate. Because you are already branded as an IT guy if you cross 3-4 years experience. And the friend of mine had 7 months of finance experience and was not an IT guy :) So all the best Ravi, I wanted to paste the right picture and not an unrealistic rosy one!

      Hope my comments are of help. And please feel free to ignore them and in no way am I an authority to comment on this. Ive just shared what I have heard and experienced so far. All the best wishes again!

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    2. Thank you for the feedback. To be candid I like finance a lot. If not for job it will atleast help me in investing in equities which I currently do. And the most the satisfaction of learning the course you love. I am going for it.

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  43. Hi Ravi,

    Thanks for reading my blog!

    Please remember that studying for CFA level 1 or clearing it would not give you too much foothold to get into the industry. It all depends on your networks and your ability to convince people. You should have a good story for people to let you into the industry and again you should be ready to join the industry as a fresher or probably slightly more.

    I will be very frank, Passing CFA level 1 is not going to land you a wonderful Finance Job - unless you are really lucky. But what it could do is open avenues for you to search and you might not get the same salary (in fact I am quite sure we wont get the same salary initially). My friend has an experience of around 7 months working somewhere and he got a package barely enough to manage himself in Mumbai! But hey, I am sure he would do well and he is sure of that as well.

    Dont look for immediate gains if you have a long term plan! Again do this course only if you really like finance field and badly want to enter. But let me tell you, this is a wonderful course to do if you really like this field and would definitely want to enter this field!

    I have given level 2 this year and still work in an IT organisation. but the way people look at me so different than before! I will be looking for a change this year, so unfortunately I dont still have first level experience to guide you.

    All the very best!

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  44. Hey Gopal !

    I am from science background, do u think i have enough time to prepare for exam. Around 4.5 months are left for me...looking for your suggestion. I am ready give 5 hours on 10 hours on weekends

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    1. Hi Aki,

      THanks for visiting my blog. Yes its possible. But you need to put in real hard work as you have said.

      All the best mate.

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  45. 5 hours on weekdays and 10 hour on weekend as i work full time

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  46. Hey Gops... a very motivating story. Thanks for the insight. I am only starting to study 4 months before but i do have a background in economics. Would this be sufficient time?

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  47. Hi Anonymous, Thanks for visiting my blog.

    Yes, its possible but you got to really be able to put in 3-4 hours a day actually. There are lots of Level 1 videos on the net, so start today..

    All the very best friend!

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  48. Hi Gopal,
    Thanks for the post above and thanks to all who commented.

    Question is.. I am an engineer too. 7.5 years in IT. Now entering into a captive bank on business side so feeling the need of this certification. You mentioned u needed at least thrice of 300 hrs.. so assuming u studied 3 hrs per day, you probably needed an year to clear it??

    So I guess it would be better for me to pick up the 2013 material now? so that i can attempt in Dec 2013?

    Just wanted to seek your advise if this plan looks ok!

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  49. Hi there, thanks for visiting my blog. The point is I studied much more than 3 hours a day :) So I started in September and finished in June itself. On an average I used to spend 4-5 hours on studies and also last two weeks before the exam I tool leave.

    Please note here that our learning capability could be completely different. You could be far better than me in learning new things, I am generally pretty slow to new things. So I suggest you have a look at the material, find a mentor and then you decide the date.

    Cheers,
    Gopal.

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    1. thanks Gopal! yes.. i may be even more slow than you.. but the only issue i see is that the enthusiasm is likely to get slackened in one year's time...
      So more hours of studies and shorter horizon seems to be a better choice...

      I will update this blog after my results either in June or Dec


      thank you

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    2. hey gopal,
      ur reviews are too gud fr me.I am jst abt to give my Level 1 in next 23days.I am commerce grad throughout,have some basic knowledge abt these subjects,have understood the concepts well though few still to be done.I just get a feeling that I might forget few things at the last time.Ethics is specially a little tough to retain bt despite of that I am able solve the ques. at the back of chapters.Is it normal or I am just lacking somewhr.Just wanted to have ur no. if u could...it wud help me for sure,there is no direct guidance.So if u can,plz mail me on vermaakshay017@gmail.com

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  50. hey gopal...am new to this cfa thing....the results that you gave all indicate Percentage marks right and not percentiles?
    eg.out of 12 qs in eco(10% 120 qs...assuming that they follow the pattern) you got more than 9 right since it shows >70 right??

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  53. Hi,

    I am currently working in insurance in India, and I would like to make a switch to finance. I am writing level 1. I work long hours and I was wondering if quitting to prepare for CFA level 1 was a good idea. I understand it defeats the purpose of CFA but considering i am not in Finance How bad a idea is this?

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    1. Hi thanks for visiting my blog etenfinance :)

      And for Level 2 I was your student in 2012!! Now in 2013 writing my level 3 exam :)

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  55. Hi Gopal,

    I'm just deciding to apply for CFA Level 1, Dec 2013 and found your blog quite useful in keeping things in perspective. What everyone talks is about the amount of hardwork it takes, but what i am looking for is does the hardwork pay off?
    How well is CPA recognised in India and other countries? Also, does it make sense for someone with little work experience like me (3 years in Operations) to try?

    Would appreciate your insights on the above.

    Thanks,
    Ashwini

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  56. hi gopal,'
    i'm planning to write cfa level 1 in december .I'm a b-tech graduate and i am doing my MBA now in bangalore.can you please sujjest me which material helps for a novice in accounts field?where can i get this schweser/stella material in bangalore?

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    1. Hi Teja,

      You can get the Schweser materials from Laxmi xerox - 9820541867 is their number.

      Just call them and they would courier you the materials. As for preparing FRA, practise is the key unfortunately. Most of us have this fear and dont prepare well enough.. Good luck.

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  57. hey mann..same story here also..btech grad..nw wants to do somthng gud in finance,,but really confused between mba(finance) or cfa
    please help..becoz this is the time to start for mba or cfa..!!!
    nd m working also..so i hav lyk max 2 hours daily!

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  59. Hi Gopal.

    I am in B.Tech final year. I am placed in a finance company. Do you think CFA will be helpful for my job profile ? What does the subjects in CFA deals with basically? Is it any help in learning stock trading and stock analyzing ? I'm an average student so do you think CFA certification is still achievable for avg peoples ? I mean all the levels ...? Is it tough or they just need serious 3-4 hrs study and thats all ? I'll be waiting for your reply Impatiently! And thanks for the blog! Its a great help.

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  60. Hi Gopal,

    Could you share your contact details or connect me with at rohitary99@gmail.com

    I need to discuss the prospect of doing CFA after many years working in IT.

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  65. hi Gopal,, i noticed you posted your blog on july 2010. at that time you had only completed level 1. now at 2014, how many levels have you completed. did you clear all three levels or still in level 2. guys, on CFA is looking lucrative is the money we see we get from this career path. but the bottom line is "be good in any field" to get rich.

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    GOPAL your whole idea of doing CFA is a little unacceptable for me because you completed your level 1 in 2010 and yet at this time around of 2014 you have not even switched your department into finance from IT in your own bank. please share with us what are you upto these days and what career improvements you had since the last time

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